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Old 01-27-2010, 04:08 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default HOT!!! Oregon Dunes Closure

Read site below and get ahold of you representatives and congressmen...or you can kiss Raptor Rally goodbye in the future!


http://www.fs.fed.us/r6/siuslaw/proj...es/index.shtml.


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Please broadcast this 10-C Travel Management Plan information to all riders in your address book and any ATV shops (etc.) in your areas.

Briefly, this affects Florence, Winchester Bay and Spinreel/Hauser
sand dunes riding area. We are about to lose many of our dunes riding areas
unless this information is taken to heart.
Please save the first website link as a favorite to keep up on past,
present and future meetings, the minutes and important dates upcoming.
If this does not pertain to you directly, then please pass it on to
someone that can help

Bottom Line: get involved or lose dune riding
privileges....................................




> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 18:35:09 -0600
> Subject: Oregon Dunes, OHV enthusiast are the Endangered Species.
>
> Oregon Dunes, OHV enthusiast are the Endangered Species.
>
> Like you, I am an avid OHV enthusiast. We are family, we love our chosen
> sport and we are environmentalist. The greenies could care less and are
> willing to put large sums of money to kill our recreation.
>
> I want to get the word out through an educational effort that in the 1994
> Forest Plan, the FS closed all but 36% of the ODNRA (Oregon Dunes National
> Recreation Area). Of that 36%; 15% is designated "routes only". To use
> their language, they Zoned the dunes. Attached is the Zoning and history.
> 10A is closed, 10B is open riding and 10C is Designated Routes only. The
> rest of the zoning is self explanatory. Part of this plan is to create
> "Work Groups" to review the 10C and come up with recommendations to where
> the trails are going to be within the 10C. I am part of that work group.
> Please go on line to see this information:
> http://www.fs.fed.us/r6/siuslaw/proj...es/index.shtml.
> They just made it official that 15% (10C) will be closed with the
> exception of a very few connector trails that the work group is deciding
> upon now. Please understand that the workgroup is only an advisory group
> and the Forest Service is obligated to look at all options before they
> make the final decision. In other words, they will do what they want. They
> are anticipating a law suit from the greenies challenging their decision
> one way or the other. The greenies have already sued to stop the trail for
> Riley Ranch access. We have advanced notice through this law suit that we
> must step up with our written efforts and our pocket books to fight back.
> They want it all closed and designated Wilderness. Ignorance is not
> Bliss! We must educate ourselves to understand that this is not the end.
> They are going to do a new Forest plan in 2014 so we must band together.
> California and Washington OHV groups have done a fairly good job of
> working together but the Oregon effort is poor and spotty at best. When I
> got involved with this work group I was very ignorant. I am not ignorant
> anymore, I am SCARED. If we do not get involved we will as a group lose
> what we have left and we all will be STUPID because we did not get
> involved.
>
> What we have left to ride on is about 25% of the 28,930 acres of the
> ODNRA, only about 7,200 acres will be open to riding. We just went through
> the process at the Middle Dunes (Winchester) which does not have much 10C
> but Banshee Hill is in the mix. The North Riding Area (Florence) is scary
> at best with most of the plantation stands off the table. By the map, half
> of the Florence dunes are in play. The Southern Riding area (Coos Bay) is
> being looked at in the next month. The public is invited to these meetings
> so go on the FS web page above to get the dates and locations.
>
> Some lessons learned are the economic impact and the safety of riders is
> very low on the priority list. VERY LOW. The Forest Service charter is to
> manage "Resources" first and foremost. That means vegetation, wetlands,
> and Critical Habitat for plants and animals. We are indeed an endangered
> species in the ODNRA. I thought that any economic impact would be huge. If
> you look at what the FS and BLM did with the spotted owl, then you can
> clearly see that economics will not come into play. That killed an
> industry and left the Pacific Northwest without jobs and money. The way
> they are going to regulate safety is to limit the amount of riders that
> can enjoy the dunes on any given weekend. They have already studied how
> many riders the 25% of dunes available can hold without hurting ourselves.
> Restrictions are a given.
>
> Hopefully you can see why I am SCARED. We do have one very important
> opportunity that I feel we need to legally pursue. That is the simple,
> well documented fact that the dunes are being choked off and are indeed
> dying. The European Beach Grass planted in the early 1910 is slowly but
> surly killing the dunes. It is also killing Snowy Plover Habitat. We are
> the only cost effective documented way of killing the beach grass. I will
> try and post several research papers documenting this fact. A brief
> explanation is the dunes were created with sand flowing out of the Umpqua
> River. The wind and surf would push and blew the sand inland and
> accumulate to the dunes we see today. The beach grass is building the
> walls you see on the beach and the sand has stopped moving inland. As the
> grass stabilizes flowing sand that allows other bad plants like scotch
> broom to grow and eventually trees and forest that do not belong there. It
> has also killed grasses and plants that are native to the dunes. The FS
> and the BLM simply do not know what to do so they just keep doing what
> they always have and manage this "new" vegetation like it was always
> there. Flowing Sand is not Forest. The greenies are pushing this view as
> they want nobody in the dunes. The other point we must make is the fact
> that the bad vegetation is not just standing still but growing
> exponentially faster. The longer they wait the worse it gets.
>
> A Call to action.
> What I am proposing to do as the next step is to work together to build a
> war chest to start legal action against the Forest Service. They need to
> continue to move ahead with a trail access for Riley Ranch. We also need
> to start legal action against the Forest Service to allow OHV access to
> more areas to kill beach grass. We must understand that they do have to
> manage the ODNRA for other users so let them have the 60% that is now
> closed for other uses. Those dunes will eventually die anyway and if that
> is what they want then let it happen. Seems stupid to me but... I propose
> to work with the Blue Ribbon Coalition
> http://www.sharetrails.org/magazine/article.php?legal=1 and have them set
> up a place on their web page for us to go in and donate money. We need a
> commitment from ourselves to the BRC to fund any legal action moving
> forward. Please visit the BRC and let them know you are willing to donate.
> We do not need a bunch of money to start the legal action. If the 300,000
> or so OHV folks that visit the ODNRA donated a buck we would have plenty.
> I also encourage folks to join the BRC as they have successfully stopped
> the greenies across the US from closures. I am a Lifetime Member and very
> proud of it.
>
> One other point I must bring up that is very unpopular among OHVers is the
> noise we make. The legal noise limit on the ODNRA is 93 db. I will not
> argue whether this is right or wrong, it is just a fact. I have finally
> found a chamber muffler for my Raptor 700 that gives me plenty of power
> and still stays within legal limits. I am in no way advocating this brand
> but there are very few manufactures that are willing to give us good power
> and keep the noise to a legal limit. Repacking is a waste of time
> especially with the 450. That manufacture is Leo Vince. Ron Gray at Bay
> Area Yamaha has them and they are not that expensive. Hopefully American
> Manufactures will start making these chamber type mufflers available. You
> have no idea how much grief we are taking with the Work Group and we are
> killing ourselves with this single issue. Please ride in the ODNRA within
> legal limits. If you can not, please stay away. I want to ride in the
> dunes, not make a point that my whanger is bigger than yours.
>
> Please work with your respective groups to assign a single person that can
> communicate with me so I can manage answers to any questions. This is real
> and we have already lost too much. I would love to set up a conference
> type call with your groups to discuss this and any questions you may have.
> We are trying to set up a web page so folks can talk about this. I am not
> a tech savvy guy so Barbara and Lance Rowland in Florence will help. I
> will let you know ASAP.
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Old 02-22-2010, 11:38 AM   #2 (permalink)
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So I read into all this a bit... anyone else hear anything?
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Old 02-22-2010, 12:26 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I say let the greenies close it down..............

THEN let's see what supports the local economy in the areas..........

When ever I hit the Oregon dunes I SPEND a minimum of $600 in the area I'm in. Let's see now times that by say 500 other family's that visit...........

WAKE UP, now is not the time to pull the rug out from under more small business in our country, BUT hey that's just my measly opinion.
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+1 Jim, I don't think you could of said it better.
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I say let the greenies close it down..............

THEN let's see what supports the local economy in the areas..........

When ever I hit the Oregon dunes I SPEND a minimum of $600 in the area I'm in. Let's see now times that by say 500 other family's that visit...........

WAKE UP, now is not the time to pull the rug out from under more small business in our country, BUT hey that's just my measly opinion.
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Quite frankly I think it's time to QUIT giving and do some taking.........

EVERYTIME this issue comes up WE have to compromise. That means giving up more riding spaces to give the greenies what they want. THEY WIN, WE LOSE. Little by little the green movment erodes away our riding areas, in the long run they'll get what they want and our sport takes a back seat to there so called needs.........

Is it time for YOU?? It is for me............
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Quite frankly I think it's time to QUIT giving and do some taking.........

EVERYTIME this issue comes up WE have to compromise. That means giving up more riding spaces to give the greenies what they want. THEY WIN, WE LOSE. Little by little the green movment erodes away our riding areas, in the long run they'll get what they want and our sport takes a back seat to there so called needs.........

Is it time for YOU?? It is for me............
well said Jim. I too spend a min of 5 bills each trip and I do 10-12 trips a year...do the math
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There is a gentleman by the name of Jody that is getting the blue ribbon coalition involved to sue the forest service over land closure. Im not sure where the link went but if you do some searching the info is out there. There was talk about the BRC putting up a donate spot on their website to gather funds for court cost ect...
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Quite frankly I think it's time to QUIT giving and do some taking.........

EVERYTIME this issue comes up WE have to compromise. That means giving up more riding spaces to give the greenies what they want. THEY WIN, WE LOSE. Little by little the green movment erodes away our riding areas, in the long run they'll get what they want and our sport takes a back seat to there so called needs.........

Is it time for YOU?? It is for me............






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Amen. When they close down these areas, I know at least 20-30 people that spend probably a total of around $30-50K on the coast year probably, that WILL NOT be going anymore.

I love the dunes there, but without all the 'features' that make it a unique place to ride, they don't really have shit. The open dunes are fun enough to screw around on, but not enough to keep me there. This essentially cuts the dunes down to an hour worth of riding to cover then entire area.

I have NO qualms about taking longer trips down to Cali, NV, Idaho if I'm going to be FORCED to ride only open dunes. Why WASTE my time and money in Oregon ?

NOT TO MENTION many of these places have outlawed racing recently. This is like the systematic decimation of the small local tourist based economies these places depend on. Absolutely going to crush these cities.

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