Suspension Advice/ opinions - Page 3 - Yamaha Raptor Forum
 32Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #21 of 113 (permalink) Old 12-02-2017, 05:20 PM Thread Starter
Member
 
ksouthw80's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: Kennesaw Georgia
Posts: 80
Garage
Hello

This might be a touch lengthy but please bare with me. Ok so today was my first day out on the trails with this new to me unit, I didn't change any settings on suspension, I wanted to ride it for a baseline. Keep in mind = rear measures about 51 wide, stock A arms, stock swing arm, Works front shocks with resovoirs, unknown aftermarket rear shocks ( has a cover, have not looked yet). The bike rides good and is very predictable but the front needs something. My arms feel like I have tennis elbow. The place we rode is in the north georgia mountains and is very rocky ( boulders). I slid across the lower swing arm a few times. A week ago I ordered a lowering kit ( my bad), Im sending it back as soon as it arrives. Im looking to buy a + 2 swingarm if the forum member still has it. Another thing to note is I ran 10psi all the way around in tires. Havent looked but may be too much. I do plan to send out the works shock to the house member shock gentleman ( would have to look up name again). I am posting a pic of steering stem,,, is this anything special? something better i should get?. It has fly handle bars. After reading this jibberish what do you all recommend? I love this thing. My motocross/trailbike was set up nicely, this thing beat my arms up today.... One last thing,, this is no marsh mellow ride I keep hearing about... Also I forgot to ask.. should I flip link or use the adjustable rear lowering and send front back? I'm a mechanic for a living so the work is not an issue.. Thank you for any input

Kevin.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	20171202_175628.jpg
Views:	28
Size:	144.1 KB
ID:	125193  
ksouthw80 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #22 of 113 (permalink) Old 12-02-2017, 06:21 PM
Senior Member
 
oldskool83's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Manheim PA 17545
Posts: 579
I'd not flip the link, set your sag property. The lowered crap was for the guys wanting to ride mx...It's not an mx bike. If you get rear shock set up and you dont like it with my arm of you buy it then I'd get an adjustable link to lower to your desired lenght. Good job on sending front flower kit back. They are 200% waste of money.

Get afterNark 660shocks or 04-14 yfz450 carbed model frobts and let jogaca build. Step by step is best way. Don't belive everything from internet. Lot is from kids with no real experience. Been in the game 28 years from $10k banshees to race atcs and been around a ton of legar trx250r 350rx and yz426 roll designs, 350r rotax powervalved $30k roll design trxs....plus I build parts.
DEZPERADO likes this.

2005 KFX700 good bit of mods
2001 Raptor 660R too many mods
1985 ATC250R
oldskool83 is offline  
post #23 of 113 (permalink) Old 12-02-2017, 06:28 PM
Senior Member
 
oldskool83's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Manheim PA 17545
Posts: 579
Your stem is not factory. That's a lonestar or roll design antivibe stem. It's 3x stonger then the stock sheet metal ones the bend in a roll over. I never linked the Yamaha antivibe because they are about 3" center to center. I build mine with Honda antivibes so the bars don't flex as much. Most antivibes peole run +1 or +2 lenght so your arms are more in a natural position then crouching forward. Mines a +2

2005 KFX700 good bit of mods
2001 Raptor 660R too many mods
1985 ATC250R
oldskool83 is offline  
 
post #24 of 113 (permalink) Old 12-02-2017, 06:40 PM Thread Starter
Member
 
ksouthw80's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: Kennesaw Georgia
Posts: 80
Garage
Are the WORKS shocks worthy of sending to Jogaco? Rear shock should be sent too? (I need to look and see what I have).
Tires t pressures?
I kinda told the wifey I wouldnt have to sink $$$$ into the bike... So I need to strategize a little.. Some how I tend to make it happen anyway.. I'll get with you on swingarm Monday even if I dont use it right away. Right now Ive got to get the front less harsh. I dont know mush of the history of front shocks. Is it worth a shot to try to set them up( using the STICKY instructions) in the mean time?
I'll contact Jogaco and see what kind of turn around time I'm looking at.
ksouthw80 is offline  
post #25 of 113 (permalink) Old 12-02-2017, 06:45 PM
POTW Moderator

 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Northern Colorado
Posts: 7,595
Garage
Highly worth the shot to at least set up per the sticky. They are due for a least a refresher of oil by Jogaca. Oil breaks down after time, causing more damage to the internals.

Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

[U]2006 raptor 700

DMC Force 4's, FCI W/box, Dynatek Fusion
CP 11:1 piston, BaMotorsports porting, HC3
RacersEdge +3TB
YFZ 450 fronts & reworked rear by JOGACA
Trailtech 1 1/8 xbar w/vapor dash & Vapor installed
ODI Rogue grips & ASV pro pack levers
PRM Edge Baja bumper w/12" Cree spot/flood bar
PRM Desert grab bar
PRM A-Arm skids, GYTR skid, ProArmor swinger skid
Fastway steering stabilizer
68HP 49TQ

PM me if you need service manuals
morphrider is offline  
post #26 of 113 (permalink) Old 12-02-2017, 07:01 PM Thread Starter
Member
 
ksouthw80's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: Kennesaw Georgia
Posts: 80
Garage
Will someone educate me on how the accumulators on these shocks work and what they do? I know how accumulators on an aircraft propeller work by helping the propeller pitch into a feathering type mode ( thats what I do for a living) but I'm clueless at the moment on the shocks... After thought , should I just google it?
ksouthw80 is offline  
post #27 of 113 (permalink) Old 12-02-2017, 07:06 PM Thread Starter
Member
 
ksouthw80's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: Kennesaw Georgia
Posts: 80
Garage
If I had to guess they assist in a faster return
ksouthw80 is offline  
post #28 of 113 (permalink) Old 12-02-2017, 07:08 PM
POTW Moderator

 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Northern Colorado
Posts: 7,595
Garage
Call Jogaca (Kevin). 480-262-3216.

He is in Arizona, so keep that in mind for time wise. He will not keep any secrets concerning how to set something up or how things work in suspension. I can't express how much knowledge that guy has and his willingness to help teach someone.

[U]2006 raptor 700

DMC Force 4's, FCI W/box, Dynatek Fusion
CP 11:1 piston, BaMotorsports porting, HC3
RacersEdge +3TB
YFZ 450 fronts & reworked rear by JOGACA
Trailtech 1 1/8 xbar w/vapor dash & Vapor installed
ODI Rogue grips & ASV pro pack levers
PRM Edge Baja bumper w/12" Cree spot/flood bar
PRM Desert grab bar
PRM A-Arm skids, GYTR skid, ProArmor swinger skid
Fastway steering stabilizer
68HP 49TQ

PM me if you need service manuals
morphrider is offline  
post #29 of 113 (permalink) Old 12-02-2017, 07:48 PM
Senior Member
 
oldskool83's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Manheim PA 17545
Posts: 579
Kevin can build works. Personally I hate works. I spend $700 on an ultracross 7 years ago and it looked good that's about it on a 300ex. Today's factory shocks can get you up an going at about $400 deep if you have fronts. I think Kevin charge me $200 somthing for my year single rate kfx700 shock and like $275 for my dual rate kfx450r front shocks. I had the shocks already. But the longer you go on arms or swingarm the shocks won't work the same. Best to get a arms and swing arm 1st. Then do shocks

2005 KFX700 good bit of mods
2001 Raptor 660R too many mods
1985 ATC250R
oldskool83 is offline  
post #30 of 113 (permalink) Old 12-02-2017, 08:07 PM
I may be getting older, but I refuse to grow up!

 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: PACIFIC N.W.
Posts: 10,046
Garage
I believe your rear is to wide if you have stock a-arms on the front. Rule of thumb is the rear should be narrower then the front. You may have a wider aftermarket axle and thick spacers, offset rear wheels, or extended hubs. Try to narrow it, even running the wheels reversed. Valve stem inside only on the rear, never on the front.

Set up your shocks first. Get the sag adjusted to your weight, set shock adjusters to the middle. Your WORKS shocks may not have any adjustment except sag, (spring). Shock reservoirs hold extra oil for cooling but most important is nitrogen to reduce foaming, (bubbles).

If you run a longer swing arm get the shock built for that, not factory length.

Your steering stem, as said, is a anti vibration system. It helps some but you may need a steering stabilizer, attaches to the bottom of the stem.

What's the off set of your wheels? To much out and not enough in can cause bump steer and arm pump.

I would decrease rear tire pressure to around 5lbs.

Ask Kevin (JOGACA) about your WORKS shocks, if you don't use them maybe use for trade. YFZ shocks won't fit the 660 without mods, (grinding).
jsanders347 likes this.

'19 Can-Am X3, RS Turbo, 172 HP, 1300x15 STU #2 paddle, Tribute front, DynaTec controller, cat delete, GTP blow off valve, custom flame wrap, Bent Metal windshield, Blazer wiper, rear window, 48in LED light bar, 14in LED light bar, GTP LED side lights, S3 shock tower brace, aluminum rear pull plate, 5K Badlands winch, dual batteries, 5ft lighted whips, Rugged radio and intercom, interior lights, rock lights, chase lights, over $200 additional switches, YES, street legal with dirt tires.
DEZPERADO is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Yamaha Raptor Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Opinions and Advice Simont122 Raptor 700 Discussion 5 02-23-2017 02:50 PM
Looking to buy a Raptor and i need some advice/opinions! Kevin M Raptor 700 Discussion 20 03-14-2014 10:23 PM
2001 660R suspension advice pitbull9768 Raptor 660 Suspension 52 03-20-2012 07:07 PM
Info & Advice on my suspension set up. Mudslinger700 Raptor 700 Suspension 4 11-01-2010 08:01 PM
carb advice and opinions raron455 Raptor 660 Modifications 6 08-18-2010 11:02 PM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome