that is incorrect, unless you are talking about on asphault where you get max traction....and even then I think the 15T is quicker.devilisht2003 said:15 gives you less acceleration, more top end therefor less wheel spin. i'm gonna go to a 15 for the longer gears, i ride in 1-3 now and wanna do just 1-2
you are basically saying the same thing just he used less words.135boom said:that is incorrect, unless you are talking about on asphault where you get max traction....and even then I think the 15T is quicker.devilisht2003 said:15 gives you less acceleration, more top end therefor less wheel spin. i'm gonna go to a 15 for the longer gears, i ride in 1-3 now and wanna do just 1-2
Believe me, I understand your logic, and on street bikes and other machines it makes perfect sence. BUT, on the 700 the dyno graph is pretty much backwards. ALL your power is in the low-mid range. What happens is you spin all that power away instantly...and you are always shifting or flying threw the gears because of it.
What the 15T does is slow down the rear tires....gets more tractable power, puts the power to the ground and you end up accelerating WAAAAY faster.
I have done countless drag races on hardpack dirt/gravel and the 15T far out accelerates a 14T and it keeps on pulling, and you end up with more top speed.
Its a WIN/WIN no matter what. The best least expensive mod I have done! If an exhaust/intake/controller give you about 8-10hp, the 15T "FEELS" like you get another 5-6hp....and it will give you the results of atleast a 6hp gain.
You are right, in a sense. What happens is, when you go up one tooth in the front, each gear becomes longer, more "elastic", so you are able to stay on the "best" powerband of each gear for longer. Each gear has a range in which you get the most power... If you go up one tooth, each gear becomes longer, and so does the powerband with the most power, for that gear. This means that the gap between the best powerband for each gear is narrowed, so in fact you are able to go through all the gears within a "better" powerband". That is why the quad feels like it has more horsepower. However, it does not have more PEAK horsepower.135boom said:that is incorrect, unless you are talking about on asphault where you get max traction....and even then I think the 15T is quicker.devilisht2003 said:15 gives you less acceleration, more top end therefor less wheel spin. i'm gonna go to a 15 for the longer gears, i ride in 1-3 now and wanna do just 1-2
Believe me, I understand your logic, and on street bikes and other machines it makes perfect sence. BUT, on the 700 the dyno graph is pretty much backwards. ALL your power is in the low-mid range. What happens is you spin all that power away instantly...and you are always shifting or flying threw the gears because of it.
What the 15T does is slow down the rear tires....gets more tractable power, puts the power to the ground and you end up accelerating WAAAAY faster.
I have done countless drag races on hardpack dirt/gravel and the 15T far out accelerates a 14T and it keeps on pulling, and you end up with more top speed.
Its a WIN/WIN no matter what. The best least expensive mod I have done! If an exhaust/intake/controller give you about 8-10hp, the 15T "FEELS" like you get another 5-6hp....and it will give you the results of atleast a 6hp gain.
sangue_e_Tripas said:You are right, in a sense. What happens is, when you go up one tooth in the front, each gear becomes longer, more "elastic", so you are able to stay on the "best" powerband of each gear for longer. Each gear has a range in which you get the most power... If you go up one tooth, each gear becomes longer, and so does the powerband with the most power, for that gear. This means that the gap between the best powerband for each gear is narrowed, so in fact you are able to go through all the gears within a "better" powerband". That is why the quad feels like it has more horsepower. However, it does not have more PEAK horsepower.135boom said:that is incorrect, unless you are talking about on asphault where you get max traction....and even then I think the 15T is quicker.devilisht2003 said:15 gives you less acceleration, more top end therefor less wheel spin. i'm gonna go to a 15 for the longer gears, i ride in 1-3 now and wanna do just 1-2
Believe me, I understand your logic, and on street bikes and other machines it makes perfect sence. BUT, on the 700 the dyno graph is pretty much backwards. ALL your power is in the low-mid range. What happens is you spin all that power away instantly...and you are always shifting or flying threw the gears because of it.
What the 15T does is slow down the rear tires....gets more tractable power, puts the power to the ground and you end up accelerating WAAAAY faster.
I have done countless drag races on hardpack dirt/gravel and the 15T far out accelerates a 14T and it keeps on pulling, and you end up with more top speed.
Its a WIN/WIN no matter what. The best least expensive mod I have done! If an exhaust/intake/controller give you about 8-10hp, the 15T "FEELS" like you get another 5-6hp....and it will give you the results of atleast a 6hp gain.
I understand where all this confusion comes from. How can you get more power from a longer gear? Indeed, you DO lose power in 1st gear. However, that is not a problem beacause the "high" portion of the first gear is replaced with the "low" portion of 2nd gear (because 2nd is more elastic), and the low portion of 1st gear is never used in a quad anyway, because it has too much power, which is lost in wheelspin. You get more power because the powerbands in each gear become wider. So, what happens is you get more USABLE power, and you lose nothing in practical terms.
I am not talking from experience, as I do not have a 15th yet. I am talking off the top of my head, it is just simple Mechanics.
I hope this explanation helps to clear this matter.
135boom said:sangue_e_Tripas said:You are right, in a sense. What happens is, when you go up one tooth in the front, each gear becomes longer, more "elastic", so you are able to stay on the "best" powerband of each gear for longer. Each gear has a range in which you get the most power... If you go up one tooth, each gear becomes longer, and so does the powerband with the most power, for that gear. This means that the gap between the best powerband for each gear is narrowed, so in fact you are able to go through all the gears within a "better" powerband". That is why the quad feels like it has more horsepower. However, it does not have more PEAK horsepower.135boom said:that is incorrect, unless you are talking about on asphault where you get max traction....and even then I think the 15T is quicker.devilisht2003 said:15 gives you less acceleration, more top end therefor less wheel spin. i'm gonna go to a 15 for the longer gears, i ride in 1-3 now and wanna do just 1-2
Believe me, I understand your logic, and on street bikes and other machines it makes perfect sence. BUT, on the 700 the dyno graph is pretty much backwards. ALL your power is in the low-mid range. What happens is you spin all that power away instantly...and you are always shifting or flying threw the gears because of it.
What the 15T does is slow down the rear tires....gets more tractable power, puts the power to the ground and you end up accelerating WAAAAY faster.
I have done countless drag races on hardpack dirt/gravel and the 15T far out accelerates a 14T and it keeps on pulling, and you end up with more top speed.
Its a WIN/WIN no matter what. The best least expensive mod I have done! If an exhaust/intake/controller give you about 8-10hp, the 15T "FEELS" like you get another 5-6hp....and it will give you the results of atleast a 6hp gain.
I understand where all this confusion comes from. How can you get more power from a longer gear? Indeed, you DO lose power in 1st gear. However, that is not a problem beacause the "high" portion of the first gear is replaced with the "low" portion of 2nd gear (because 2nd is more elastic), and the low portion of 1st gear is never used in a quad anyway, because it has too much power, which is lost in wheelspin. You get more power because the powerbands in each gear become wider. So, what happens is you get more USABLE power, and you lose nothing in practical terms.
I am not talking from experience, as I do not have a 15th yet. I am talking off the top of my head, it is just simple Mechanics.
I hope this explanation helps to clear this matter.
ummmmm, is that not what I said without getting technical? I know it doesnt add power...haha.....re-read what I posted........ :thumbsup: