I got a killer deal from a buddy of mine, I got 2 used stock rims and some new Pro Wedge tires for $45, took them to my local Yamaha dealer and had them mounted and new stems for $20, so I have $65 into these tires. I didn't put them on yet becuase there is no sand pit close and there is no snow yet but I can tell they are going to rub on my heel guards so I don't know if I am going to run without them witch I really don't want to do or get a extended swing arm witch I really don't have the money yet. Anyone every use these tires or have any comments??? Also what swing arms should I look at that are nice and not so pricey?!?