I feel you are missing the point. Its not about being the fastest, it is about being the fastest 4 stroke. Anybody can build or have a fast banshee built, not everyone can have a fast 4stroke. JMHO. I have raced a bunch of fast banshees and I dont think they have half the cost in there engine that I have in mine. Like I said its not about being the fastest, its about being the fastest 4 stroke. 8)

 

just saying if ya wanna go fast buy a 2 stroke

 

Do you have any idea how much money it costs to have a top-ten Banshee? :lol:


Sure, you can build a Banshee that will go faster than a Raptor for less money but you'll get beat by a lot more guys when you race in the Banshee classes.

 

Do you have any idea how much money it costs to have a top-ten Banshee? :lol:


Sure, you can build a Banshee that will go faster than a Raptor for less money but you'll get beat by a lot more guys when you race in the Banshee classes.

I was thinking the same thing :lol: I remember talking with Kevin when he returned from Fastest on the Planet last year with a 1st and second place finish. He was saying his engines are between 25-30k not counting chassis ect.. That is what I consider to be a top tier banshee. I think he was running 3.2?'s but I cant quite remember.

 

hence the phrase "the only thing faster than a banshee is another banshee"

 

Snowmobile, outboard, and motorcycle powered laydowns are faster than Banshees. :grin_nod:

 

yeah there is always something faster. there is always gonna be somebody that put more work, time and money in there machine than you did. thats just the way it is. people are gonna put money into what they like. yeah it maybe harder to be faster but once you are faster there is more pride than takin it the easy way. JMO

 

listen here you mis-guided soul, idc how much money u dump into a banshee, there a un-reliable 2 stroke. you can build a super fast reliable raptor and in the long run you'll actually save money by not having to bore an hone a buy pistons right and left. trust me i know FAST 100 mph + banshees thatl roast my raptor, but he works on it more than he rides it, and all i gotta say is turbo kit for the raptor or the good ol R1 upgrade, have fun keepin up with that bud :grin_nod:

 

Most of us know that if you want to go fast, build a banshee. Everywhere you go there are fast banshees. Why, because they're the best at running in a straight line. You're not wrong, but that's not the only thing that everyone here is going for, our all out goal isn't always being the first to the end of the strip.

Now I'm not building a drag bike so I don't particularly feel I fit into the category of people you're addressing, but I have spent a lot of money to go marginally faster. I don't want to be another guy with a fast banshee, I want to be a guy with a respectable thumper that can trail ride with his buddies one weekend and play at the dunes the next. IMO the raptor fits much better into that mold than a fast bashee.

 

This thread should be in the useless info topic. :thumbsup: But I will chime in as well. After my build is done I am sure there's going to be alllllllllooooooooottttt 2 strokes losing to my slow raptor :grin_nod:. But hey we can race in forward and reverse. :thumbsup:

 

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Most of us know that if you want to go fast, build a banshee. Everywhere you go there are fast banshees. Why, because they're the best at running in a straight line. You're not wrong, but that's not the only thing that everyone here is going for, our all out goal isn't always being the first to the end of the strip.

Now I'm not building a drag bike so I don't particularly feel I fit into the category of people you're addressing, but I have spent a lot of money to go marginally faster. I don't want to be another guy with a fast banshee, I want to be a guy with a respectable thumper that can trail ride with his buddies one weekend and play at the dunes the next. IMO the raptor fits much better into that mold than a fast bashee.

+1 on a good response, I can add a little to this, back in the mid eighties when I raced drag sleds, I went to Lake Simcoe and competed in the Nationals, I saw a lot of sleds there that I had seen before in magazines, and I thought, boy am I going to get my ass kicked here this weekend, well to my surprise, I did a lot of the ass kicking and if it wasn't for a 50 dollar belt that decided it had enough I would probably have won the weekend, but out of about 200 machines in Mod Stock 4, I ended up in 3rd, so I felt good, and this sled was built to the hilt, cylinders, crankshaft, heads, clutches, track, studs, and each stud was manicured to perfection, the hours I spent on it were unreal, but it sure was fun and I learned a lot from it and the memories and experience were fantastic.
I agree it is more expensive to build fourstrokes, but it all depends on what you want to do with them. They sure are fun though to make them work, whether two stroke or four stroke. :thumbsup:

 

thanks mad dog. my point proven by the master himself. and lets not get started on the 2 stroke shit. ill be the first to say if you want reliability buy a 4 stroke

 

T T T T T T Turd Sandwhich :doublebird:


T T T T T T Twin Turd Sandwhich :rice:


T T T T T T They Stopped Making Banshees :slap:


T T T T T T This Thread was Built For War :lol: :wave-finger:

 

T T T T T T T they made banshees longer than any other high performance quad

 

T T T T T T T they made banshees longer than any other high performance quad

...because there was no competition for a decade...that kind of helps a quad solidify it's place in the sport and the aftermarket.

 

B B B B B B B Bullshit there wasn't any competition for a decade, ummm 250r, QUADzillas, tecate 250, 250r quad racer. all those may have stopped being made in like 89, then early 90's, but alot of ppl still have them, and to say the least banshee is the best. Now mad dog if your implying that banshees are not the best 2 stroke quad then you must not know 2 stroke. explain how the all famed "ever saught after" 250r only ran for 4 years, i think the quad racer had the longest run out of all the quads i listed except the banshee cuz there shit.

 

B B B B B B B Bullshit there wasn't any competition for a decade, ummm 250r, QUADzillas, tecate 250, 250r quad racer. all those may have stopped being made in like 89, then early 90's, but alot of ppl still have them, and to say the least banshee is the best. Now mad dog if your implying that banshees are not the best 2 stroke quad then you must not know 2 stroke. explain how the all famed "ever saught after" 250r only ran for 4 years, i think the quad racer had the longest run out of all the quads i listed except the banshee cuz there shit.

:lol:

To the best of my recollection the lt500r stopped production in the 91 model year, the lt250r stopped in 92. Theres was nothing for the banshee to compete with until the 400ex in 99, which didn't come close to beating it. It wasn't until the DS650 in 2000 that anything was close, and it was released in such small numbers to a tiny dealer network that few ran them. The raptor 660 came out in 2001 and that was the first close competition that was produced in large numbers...and it came from the same company. So with the exception of the DS, the banshee didn't have any more opponents until the 500 Predator in 2003 and the trx450r in 2004.

The Honda 250R was killed off for the same reason that many of the other atvs of the time were, liability. If you're seriously going to sit here and argue with me that the 250R died because no one wanted them then I suggest you go away and re-group your argument. The 250R maintained a huge aftermarket following and was THE atv to race in mx, xc, and similar events for over a decade. The biggest cause for their demise has been the release of the 450 based atvs and the AMA restrictions on what atvs can be raced in their events.

The LT250R was great in 85, until the honda came out in 86. Frantic they added a powervalve for 87 and despite being produced a number of years after the honda they never came close to the honda in aftermarket following or owner loyalty in the following years.

 

I would spend 50k making a quick raptor before I would drop a penny on a banshee...I hate 2 stroke quads with a passion. There is nothing more annoying than a smokey, loud ass 2 stroke buzzing around. They are worse than all of the little honda civics running around with fart can mufflers on them (but funny because they sound similar)

Whoever has the most money will have the fastest quad, end of debate. It doesn't matter what base you start with.

Banshees are old and outdated, I put many to shame on Saturday with my stock raptor and my inexperienced fat ass driving. Yes there are some very fast ones, but in the end...you are just driving a fast outdated dinosaur that can only be used for one thing, which is driving in a straight line.

 

like i said to start this mess theres gonna be someone to make a comment like i hate 2 strokes they suck hahaha.... mod for mod banshee wins

 

This is where I have to call BS.
A bolt on 700 vs. Bolt on Banshee you won't even see the Banshee in the picture.

The same will apply to a Stock Bore ported 700 vs. Ported Banshee the 700 blows it away.

Until you get to the HUGE Drag Shee's they get there ass handed to them by the Raptors especially the 700's.

To say they are faster for cheaper you are correct, but when you said mod for mod banshee wins your way off base.

I have 3 Banshee's in our Dune group that I can bring on here so they wine and cry and verify that my 700 was beating them consistantly.

 

like i said to start this mess theres gonna be someone to make a comment like i hate 2 strokes they suck hahaha.... mod for mod banshee wins

Unless you have to turn...or start the quad up more than once...or keep it running all year...or if the weather changes...etc...etc...etc.

Look I like and respect the banshee, but the point is that it's not the end all be all best machine in the world for everyone. We have different priorities, and being the fastest guy at the end of the strip certainly isn't mine.

 

exactly i will play in the trails all day with you and we will see who comes out in Better shape....

Shit i will even play on the track with you and your banshee and we will see who comes out on top

But I guess all that truly matters is going in a straight line right Krauss? But dont worry that straight line isnt going anywhere :thumbsup:

 

well like i said before i see some guys out there putting 727 stroked and bored raptors together and its prolly safe to say there not doing this so they can be a little faster in the trails and not drag race. i wont lie i have a raptor 660 and i ride that all the time its just i dont get putting tons of money in them and get spanked by a banshee with half the money in it. its like putting tons of money in a v6 camaro lol

 

and a stock banshee is about as worthless as a stock raptor at the track.

 

:lol: I agree....if you're talking about the amount of money it takes to get the same time on the drag strip but there is a worked Zilla, a 10 mil Banshee and a 4 cylinder hybrid in my class that wished I though like you do.